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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.ideablade.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21" rel="nofollow">IdeaBlade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 177<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12-Jul-2007 at 1:43pm<br /><br /><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4><strong>Manual Repair of the Missing Object Mapper</strong></FONT><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">The usual cause of a missing Object Mapper is that Visual Studio has a pointer to a “bad” Object Mapper Add-in.</FONT></P><H5 style="MARGIN: 12pt 0in 3pt"><EM><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Check for “bad” Add-in</FONT></EM></H5><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Launch Visual Studio</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Select Tools ? Add-in Manager … from the menu.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Add-in Manager probably shows that the IdeaBlade Object Mapper is present as in the following:</FONT></P><DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666699 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4pt; BORDER-TOP: #666699 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; : #ffff99; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; BORDER-LEFT: #666699 1pt solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 4pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666699 1pt solid; mso-border-alt: solid #666699 .5pt; mso-element: para-border-div"><P =warning style=": #ffff99; MARGIN: 8pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080>If you don’t see the Object Mapper listed, there is some other problem. Please contact <SPAN style="mso-field-code: ' REF CustomerSup h '">Customer Support</SPAN>.</FONT></P></DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Visual Studio “remembers” the last time it tried to use this Add-in and it can’t load what it remembers.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Copying a new version of the Object Mapper Add-in on top of the old copy won’t work. Visual Studio won’t try to load it again until we make it forget about this Add-in.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">The trick is to </FONT></P><P =BulletList style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Rename the </FONT><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face="Lucida C&#111;nsole" color=#000080>IdeaBlade.DevTools.Orm.AddIn</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> file temporarily,</FONT></P><P =BulletList style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">convince Visual Studio that it is gone, </FONT></P><P =BulletList style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">restore the Add-in file name, and </FONT></P><P =BulletList style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">cause Visual Studio to discover it anew.</FONT></P><H6><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The AddIns Directory</FONT></H6><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Visual Studio looks for an XML file in its “AddIns” directory.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">That directory varies depending upon your edition of Visual Studio and how you installed it.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">The preferred location is:</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt 0.25in"><a href="about:blank../../All%20Users/Applicati&#111;n%20Data/Microsoft/MSEnvShared/AddIns" target="_blank"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\MSEnvShared\AddIns</FONT></A></P><DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666699 1.5pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4pt; BORDER-TOP: #666699 1.5pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; : #ccecff; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; BORDER-LEFT: #666699 1.5pt solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 4pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666699 1.5pt solid; mso-element: para-border-div"><P =note style=": #ccecff; MARGIN: 8pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080>For the All Users location, you must have the Show Hidden Files and Folders option turned on to see the Application Data folder.</FONT></P></DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Alternatively, the directory may be in the user’s directory space at</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt 0.25in"><FONT face="Times New Roman">%HOMEPATH%\My Documents\Visual Studio 8\AddIns</FONT></P><DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666699 1.5pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4pt; BORDER-TOP: #666699 1.5pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; : #ccecff; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; BORDER-LEFT: #666699 1.5pt solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 4pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666699 1.5pt solid; mso-element: para-border-div"><P =tip style=": #ccecff; MARGIN: 8pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080>You can copy and paste this into Windows Explorer. Realize that this directory may not exist.</FONT></P></DIV><H6><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Jiggle the Object Mapper AddIn file</FONT></H6><P =BeforeTable style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">We can proceed now that we know where Visual Studio keeps its Add-in information.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Exit Visual Studio.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Navigate to the Visual Studio “AddIns” directory</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: text; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Rename </FONT><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face="Lucida C&#111;nsole" color=#000080>IdeaBlade.DevTools.Orm.AddIn</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> to </FONT><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT color=#000080><FONT face="Lucida C&#111;nsole">IdeaBlade.DevTools.Orm.AddInXX<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Confirm for Windows that it is OK to change the file extension.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Launch Visual Studio.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Select Tools ? Add-in Manager … from the menu.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Verify that “IdeaBlade Object Mapper” is no longer listed.</FONT></P><DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666699 1pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4pt; BORDER-TOP: #666699 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; : #ffff99; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in; BORDER-LEFT: #666699 1pt solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 4pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666699 1pt solid; mso-border-alt: solid #666699 .5pt; mso-element: para-border-div"><P =warning style=": #ffff99; MARGIN: 8pt 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080>If you still see the Object Mapper listed, you won’t be able to revive the Object Mapper. There is some other reference to it somewhere. Please contact <SPAN style="mso-field-code: ' REF CustomerSup h '">Customer Support</SPAN>.</FONT></P></DIV><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Exit Visual Studio.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: text; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Restore </FONT><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face="Lucida C&#111;nsole" color=#000080>IdeaBlade.DevTools.Orm.AddInX</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> back to </FONT><SPAN =ce><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT color=#000080><FONT face="Lucida C&#111;nsole">IdeaBlade.DevTools.Orm.AddIn<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">That should do it. Now we verify that the Object Mapper is installed.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Launch Visual Studio again.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Look for “IdeaBlade Object Mapper” at the top of the Tools menu.</FONT></P><P =Figure style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 4pt 0.2in">&nbsp;</P><H5 style="MARGIN: 12pt 0in 3pt"><EM><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Still can’t make it appear?</FONT></EM></H5><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">You’ve tried the Object Mapper Installer, you’ve jiggled the AddIn file, and it still won’t appear in the Tools menu. </FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">You can see the Object Mapper in the Add-in Manager; it just won’t appear in the Tools menu.</FONT></P><P =Figure style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN lang=FR-CA style="mso-ansi-: FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Perhaps you customized your installation of Visual Studio. Excluding VB or C# will cause this behavior.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Try the following:</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Open the Visual Studio Tools menu.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Select "Customize…".</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Select “AddIns” on the Commands tab.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>You should see IdeaBlade Object Mapper in the Commands window.</FONT></P><P =DoitBullet style="MARGIN: 4pt 0in 4pt 0.2in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">ð<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Select and drag the “IdeaBlade Object Mapper” onto the Tools Menu just above "Connect to Device. </FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal><TABLE =MsoTableGrid style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-yfti-tbllook: 480" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><T><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 203.4pt; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; : transparent" vAlign=top width=271><P =Figure style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 4pt 0.2in">&nbsp;</P></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 2.75in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; : transparent" vAlign=top width=264><P =Figure style="MARGIN: 8pt 0in 4pt 0.2in">&nbsp;</P></TD></TR><TR style="mso-yfti-irow: 1; mso-yfti-lastrow: yes"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 203.4pt; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; : transparent" vAlign=top width=271><P =FigureCapti&#111;n style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.2in; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><EM>Before drop</EM></FONT></P></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.4pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 2.75in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; : transparent" vAlign=top width=264><P =FigureCapti&#111;n style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.2in; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><EM><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>After drop</FONT></EM></P></TD></TR></T></TABLE></P></SPAN>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.ideablade.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20" rel="nofollow">Customer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 177<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12-Jul-2007 at 1:40pm<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I recently tried to upgrade to v3.5.1.1 by uninstalling the old version and reinstalling the new version. The install seemed to go ok but the Object Mapper Installer comes up with an error </SPAN></FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Command “Tools.InstallCommunityControls” is not valid</SPAN></FONT></P>]]>
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