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   <title>Verification and Windows Workflow Foundation (WF) : Verification and WF (not WWF -...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.ideablade.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21" rel="nofollow">IdeaBlade</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 87<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15-Jun-2007 at 10:51am<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Verification and WF (not WWF - that's copyrighted by the World Wildlife Foundation) address quite different problems and are complimentary technologies.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The fact that both are<strong><B><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 'rule-driven'</SPAN></FONT></B></strong> is the source of much confusion. Here's my high level overview of the comparison.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><UL =disc><LI =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Verfication (Validation) rules pass judgement: is this valid or not?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><LI =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Workflow rules govern process transitions: where do I go from here given the present conditions?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL><P =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WF is great for transitions but is completely inappropriate for validation. You will not find any examples of WF validation in any serious WF book. You might find something that combines validation with a state transition, but not something dedicated to validation per se.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moreover, WF is focused on long-running transitions: "I can't go forward with this order until my manager approves it ... which could take hours, days, weeks." It is much too heavy-weight for the synchronous transitions of an application such as "when I click the forward button, I move to the next screen of the wizard."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are other 'rule-driven' systems that interest us as well:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P><UL =disc><LI =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Security guards object and value access:&nbsp;do I have the authority to see this property or object? may I update (or delete) it?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><LI =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Transformation rules: pass the property value through this translation filter before returning it</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL><P =Ms&#111;normal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The latter are candidates for plug-ins into our get and set interceptors.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>]]>
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   <title>Verification and Windows Workflow Foundation (WF) : In the documentation I saw that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.ideablade.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20" rel="nofollow">Customer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 87<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15-Jun-2007 at 10:48am<br /><br />In the documentation I saw that IdeaBlade Verification will work with WWF. What are the directions you are considering? Is there anything available now? What can we anticipate to see in the future releases?<br /><br />]]>
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