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Can we use .Net Ria Securtity services with DevForce?

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Topic: Can we use .Net Ria Securtity services with DevForce?
Posted By: BenHayat
Subject: Can we use .Net Ria Securtity services with DevForce?
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 12:17pm
Instead of using DevForce security, can we use RIA Services security to control DevForce service operation by using RequiresAuthenticationAttribute and RequiresRolesAttribute attributes from RIA Services?

Thanks!



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..Ben

WPF & Silverlight Insider
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Posted By: kimj
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 1:21pm
There's currently very little integration with RIA Services in DevForce Silverlight and we won't recognize these attributes today.  We're on a sort of parallel data stack to RIA, and there's really no true "domain operation" concept in DevForce currently.   Over the next several months we'll be looking at how to better integrate with RIA where appropriate.
 
I should add that we do support the RIA validation attributes right now - when generating the domain model you can choose either DevForce or .NET (RIA) validation.  We also support the MetadataTypeAttribute to use metadata classes instead of, or in addition to, the attributes defined in the Entity classes.
 
Any suggestions for features you'd like to see in DevForce are appreciated.

Posted By: BenHayat
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 3:09pm
Hi Kim;

Thank you for the reply; As you may know, SL lives inside of an ASP.Net paqe and works very closely with IIS and ASP.Net server for it's communication and MS basically uses this infrastructure to facilitate SL the extra features it needs, i.e. the security that is already in place in it's host (ASP.Net). And that's why MS has created these Security services in .Net Ria to leverage on the system that's already in place. The security system that's part of DevForce currently, is for Windows client and the SL client that lives in ASP.Net pages, need to use the existing security that's is already in place in those ASP.Net web site. So, I don't think you can convince too many people to change course and use and implement a different security system than they alreay have.

I think DevForce should use the validation and security of Ria Services and offer it's own data transportation. Otherwise, this can be a deal breaker for many.

My 2 cents!


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Best Regards!
..Ben

WPF & Silverlight Insider
http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com - http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com

Posted By: kimj
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 5:34pm
Thanks, Ben.  You're right that our current security implementation is showing its WinForms roots.  We are definitely looking at ASP.NET security, and other RIA features, in coming releases.  Your 2 cents are much appreciated!

Posted By: BenHayat
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 11:40am
Kim, would it be possible to ask the team, what time frame are they looking at to support Ria Service for ASP.Net? I ask this, because I like to know if I can postpone the security and work on the data section first.

Thank you in advance!


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Best Regards!
..Ben

WPF & Silverlight Insider
http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com - http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com

Posted By: kimj
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 4:30pm
We are still determining what our ASP.NET security support might include, and have no time line yet.  It will not be included in RC2 (coming in early May), and we don't yet have firm plans for following releases. 
 
If you're in communication with Ward or others, you might want to schedule a brief chat to go over your expectations and any other feedback you have.

Posted By: BenHayat
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 5:06pm
Thanks Kim; I'll wait till Ward gets back from his trip and discuss with him;

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Best Regards!
..Ben

WPF & Silverlight Insider
http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com - http://www.MicroIntelligence.Com


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